Petition

topic posted Tue, February 12, 2008 - 10:40 AM by  Jon
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Jon
offline Jon
New Jersey
  • Re: Petition

    Sun, February 17, 2008 - 5:39 PM
    It's a free service that can be chosen not to be used.
    • Re: Petition

      Sun, February 17, 2008 - 5:41 PM
      Also, I believe, can be edited by anyone. If someone doesn't want the picture there, they can take it off and explain why it was taken off.
      • Re: Petition

        Sun, February 17, 2008 - 6:05 PM
        Ah, I see this is not so (from wikipedia):

        This page is currently protected from editing until disputes have been resolved.
        Protection is not an endorsement of the current version (protection log). Please discuss changes on the talk page or request unprotection. You may use {{editprotected}} on the talk page to ask for an administrator to make an edit for you.
  • Re: Petition

    Sun, February 17, 2008 - 6:21 PM
    Pakistan crackdown over cartoons

    Protests in the city of Peshawar
    A radical Islamic leader has been detained in Pakistan to prevent him from leading protests against cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad.

    news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...4722712.stm

    I know this is not 'all Muslims', just an example of what 'belief' gets. An identification with a belief creates a need to defend that belief. And depending on how strong that identification is, kill for that belief. There is no way to regulate the world into respecting every person's, culture's, groups, religions beliefs. And I would not have it be so...it's taking it all too seriously. And if anything, Hafiz is not 'too serious'. He appears to be fairly serious about the necessity of humor and recognizing just how absurd our 'beliefs' are.

    While, yes, I feel Hafiz would say that any image of Muhammad is not the truth of Muhammad, not to look to the image for a sense of 'reality', I do not feel he would say it was necessary to offer any objection to anyone else's depiction of Muhammad or to 'go to war' over it. In fact I feel he would most likely laugh at this. :)

    “No one could ever paint a too wonderful picture
    of my heart or God.” ~ Hafiz

    (an excerpt from www.poetseers.org/the_poetseers/hafiz )

    "From this point Hafiz became a prodigious poet producing hundreds of poems which expressed a seekers longing for union with the divine. His poetry made Hafiz famous and he gained the respect and love of many local inhabitants. However his ecstatic and unorthodox poetry gained him the displeasure of the ruling Muslim orthodoxy. Because of this Hafiz twice had to flea the city of Shiraz, on many occasions he was only saved by his sharp wit.

    At the age of about 60, his Master Attar, finally granted Hafiz his life long desire - union with God. From this point Hafiz’s poems reflected a new consciousness, no longer was there any sense of separateness from God."

    What does it serve to concern one's self with the actions of another?


    Ghazal 35

    Keep to your own affairs, why do you fault me?
    My heart has fallen in love, what has befallen thee?
    In the center of he, whom God made from nothing
    There is a subtle point that no creature can see.

    Until His lips fulfill my lips like a reed
    From all the worldly advice I must flee.
    The beggar of your home, of the eight heavens has no need
    The prisoner of your love, from both worlds is thus free.

    Though my drunkenness has brought forth my ruin
    My essence is flourished by paying that ruinous fee.
    O heart for the pain and injustice of love do not plead
    For this is your lot from the justice of eternity.

    Hafiz don’t help magic and fantasy further breed
    The world is filled with such, from sea to sea.

    ~~~~~~~~

    Ghazal 41

    Though the wine is joyous, and the wind, flowers sorts
    Harp music and scent of wine, the officer reports.
    If you face an adversary and a jug of wine
    Choose the wine because, fate cheats and extorts.

    Up your ragged, patched sleeves, hide & keep your cup
    Like this flask of wine, fate too bleeds and distorts.
    With my teary eyes, I cleanse my robe with wine
    Self-restraint and piety is what everyone exhorts.

    Seek not your joy in the turn of the firmaments
    Even my filtered clear red fluid, dregs sports.
    This earth and sky is no more than a bleeding sieve
    That sifts and sorts kingly crowns and courts.

    Hafiz, your poems invaded Fars and Iraqi ports
    It is now the turn of Baghdad and Tabrizi forts.

    ~~~~~~~~


    Ghazal 42

    I long to open up my heart
    For my heart do my part.
    My story was yesterday’s news
    From rivals cannot keep apart.

    On this holy night stay with me
    Till the morning, do not depart.
    On a night so dark as this,
    My course, how can I chart?

    O breath of life, help me tonight
    That in the morn I make a start.
    In my love for you, I will
    My self and ego thwart.

    Like Hafiz, being love smart;
    I long to master that art.

    ~~~~~~~

    An identification with a religious belief is nothing more than egoic war. Let the wars end.
    • Re: Petition

      Sun, February 17, 2008 - 6:58 PM

      Ghazal 79


      The heavenly breeze comes to this estate,
      I sit with the wine and a lovely mate.
      Why can’t the beggar play the king’s role?
      The sky is the dome, the earth is my state.

      The green grass feels like Paradise;
      Why would I trade this for the garden gate?
      With bricks of wine build towers of love,
      Being bricks of clay is our final fate.

      Seek no kindness of those full of hate,
      People of the mosque with the church debate.
      Don’t badmouth me, don’t blacken my name;
      Only God can, my story narrate.

      Neither Hafiz’s corps, nor his life negate,
      With all his misdeeds, heavens for him wait.

      ~~~~~~~~~~~

      And one from this new site I just gratefully found:

      www.hafizofshiraz.com/index.html

      To grieve for a moment about all of creation is worthless:
      sell it for wine, because our cloak of religion is worthless.

      In Winemaker’s street they don’t give a cup for austerity:
      what use is prayermat that for intoxication is worthless!

      Wash this many coloured coat of deceit and worldliness;
      red wine is one colour and coat’s colouration is worthless.

      The crown’s majesty leads to pride that seduces the heart,
      for to risk one’s life for its shaky situation is worthless.

      When the ocean voyage began the treasure seemed close,
      I was wrong: hundred pearls for raging ocean is worthless.

      Don’t worry, be happy, content with your life’s treasure;
      for land and sea to cause heart consternation is worthless.

      It is best that you hide your face from too many hearts:
      joy of taking world, for army of lamentation is worthless.

      The Beloved’s direction is our only purpose and home,
      any other than that blessed One’s location, is worthless.

      Like Hafiz, don’t you worry, and let go the selfish world:
      a ton of gold to buy miser’s consideration, is worthless.

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